Beth, Jen and Tracie were joined by Kim Rippere from Secular Woman to talk about this new organization and some of the future plans.
is there a secret to moving your podcast forward? I left it at 20 minutes in to go take a shower thinking I could just scoot it ahead to where I left off. not happening. any clues for me? thanks in advance
C’mon…you all know why women “slut shame” other women. It’s a defense. It’s wrong, but it’s a defense. “-I- would never dress like that, therefore that will never happen to me.” If we can blame the victim, it distances us from the crime. If we blame the rapist, we are acknowledging that it can happen to anyone.
Cool, I’m glad it’s open to anyone. Perhaps I will join….
I usually listen while at work and, as such, can’t comment from a work computer. Tonight I listened while making candles, which is nice since I can follow the conversation better and actually participate by commenting.
Great show this week. I always enjoy the deep conversations that take place on the show but Beth did a particularly good job with questions this week and the guest was knowledgeable and gave a good interview.
As always I get a huge trill out of listening to you deconstruct the issues that you’re speaking about. Don’t think about shorter formats - I like the time you take to explore.
Keep up the good work. The world absolutely needs more freethinking women.
Thanks for this, it was great to hear Kim talk about Secular Woman. It’s a great incentive and one I wholeheartedly support. Interestingly thought, I made a donation to helps send women to Skepticon 5, and then tried to rally support on Twitter. In return I received a scathing ear-ripping from one of the skeptics I follow asking why I would want to send a woman to a place like that. “I will not spend money, to send a sister into an atheist male environment. Won’t do that to her” were her exact words. The point is, with all the talk of harassment in the communities of atheism and skepticism a lot of old woulds are coming to the fore. For many women the only solution seems to be to boycott these events. I disagree.
I hate this scourge on our community, and try to remedy the problems if I can. But I am only one person. Can’t seem to make any difference.
I had a great time talking with everyone!
Part of Secular Woman’s mission is to amplify the voice, presence, and representation of women in secularlism. We cannot do that if everyone stays home. That needs to be balanced with people feeling safe at events. Secular Woman has an Anti-Harassment Policy Registry to help support the organizations and events that are choosing to go this direction.
I believe that open communication is needed. That listening needs to more a piece of the conversation. And that there is a continuum of understanding about this issue: meaning that there are some among us that are misogynists (statistically how could it be otherwise), some neutral on women’s rights, and some that are vehement feminists.
What we are all in the secular community is SECULAR. Let’s not forget what brings us together!
This is all very, very new to me. I have been involved in the atheist/secular movement for about 15 years, but mostly passively, with some publishing, but only one meeting attended, about ten years ago. I have not heard of this issue until now.
Where can I read up on this or listen to some kind of comprehensive account of it?
What kinds of behaviors are at issue here?
- Are women getting whistled at, butt-patted or otherwise inappropriately hit on at meetings/conventions/conferences?
- “Sexual harassment” usually implies a power relationship. Are males in the movement who hold positions of influence/power in organizations using that influence inappropriately?
- Are “old boys’” networks appearing? Power brokering in contexts where women are shut out?
- When Tracy (I think it was, perhaps Jen) talked about people who consider themselves egalitarian being confronted with their own inappropriate behavior, what behavior is at issue? What would be a specific example (without naming names)?
- On any of these behaviors - is it more than in the general community, perhaps because of the overrepresentation of males? Or is it less? Or is it comparable to, say, at academic conferences or in academic organizations? Or is it comparable to in the corporate world? What is a good reference point to give someone here an idea of what is going on?
…and I forgot to add: What is a concrete example of what you mean by being treated as a woman and not a man and that being a good thing? I agree that male-ness should not be the automatic default setting. But what do you mean by that in terms of a concrete example?
I can see _collective_ accommodation easily, how things could be set up so that women are taken into account as a group (bathroom facilities being an easy and obvious example, or day care). But does it go down to the individual level as well? What is an example of person A treating persons B and C differently because B is a man and C a woman, but in a manner you would approve of?
RE: Rape Culture I’ve been robbed MANY times and when I tell officials my story, they end up blaming me for being stupid. Leaving wallet in my towel on the beach while going swimming; wallet gets stolen. Paying for strangers’ drinks in foreign countries; drugged and mugged. In one case I had an officer tell me, “you wouldn’t walk into a shady bar with a suit made of tapped-together money would you? Invite a crime, be prepared to be a victim.” He was essentially saying that I advertise being a victim by being carefree. This attitude makes me feel like a child. I get angry and feel betrayed by the very institutions that are suppose support victims. poo!
I second BV, when I was in high school some idiots shot at my car parked in my driveway late at night. The police officer’s entire line of questioning revolved around what did I do to instigate this. He accused me of screwing someone on a drug deal or stealing someone’s girlfriend. It was all completely baseless and made me feel horrible about the whole situation.
There’s a big difference between this, and all of society / media implying / believing the same type of thing. I can’t imagine how horrible it would feel to be a sexual assault victim and having that accusatory pressure coming from everyone.
I love the guest’s discussion of capital-w-Wifehood!!!