Episode 2.14

16Jun12

Jerry DeWitt becomes the first, official, male guest of the Godless Bitches. Beth and Tracie talk with Jerry about his past and the role of women in the Pentecostal movement.

(Note: Due to technical problems related to thunderstorms, this episode was recorded over two days and pieced together. Hopefully it doesn't seriously detract from the conversation).

Music: "Hand of the Almighty" by John R. Butler

  • S. J. Noon

    It’s really too bad Jen couldn’t stick around for very long, but this was an absolutely fantastic episode. Jerry DeWitt was a great guest. I already can’t wait for the next epsisode! :-)

    Jun 17, 2012 at 12:40 am
  • bill

    gawd….Jerry DeWitt still speaks in that fake voice of a pastor. His language, word choice, and voice still has that professional manipulative condesending sound….very irritating …..but what he says is good….especially about the incongruity/hypocrisy of liberal christians.

    Jun 17, 2012 at 6:17 am
  • microbiologychick

    I find his voice soothing and familiar.

    Beth

    Jun 17, 2012 at 10:57 am
  • James

    what a good episode (despite technical glitches). Jerry was a great guest. I didn’t find Jerry’s tone of voice or choice of language to be manipulative or condesending at all. In fact I thought it was the complete opposite.

    Jun 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm
  • Stacy P

    LOL, I remember being a part of the phlegm church, I remember purging (that’s what they called it. It was so gross, you literally make yourself through up the contents of your empty stomach, it would be this string of green or yellowish ooze.

    We were a part of so many churches growing up, with my poor mother (who passed away in 1993) always searching for god. I remember our Pentecostal (sorry if I did not spell it right) phase…it was so bizarre, but not more bizarre than the mystical church, where the guy was casting out demons, and had my mother thinking that my father had cast a spell on her…I can go on & on, Baptist, Pentecostal, mystical, non denomination, Mormon (which was rejected quickly) & J. witness (which also was axed quickly). My mother was mentally ill, severely off her lithium, I hated the churches that would convince her to let god heal her, and she would go off her meds. They did not have to deal with the aftermath, but we (her children) did, and I paid the price physically the most. I think all of this lead to my atheist conclusion later on in life.

    Good conversation.

    Jun 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm
  • 1415dr

    He does still sound like a Preacher. As a former believer I have a real aversion to those preachy techniques. It’s not his fault. 25 years is a long time to use fake emotion so people pay attention. Ive been out of the army for 10 years and I still revert to that style of talking. At least now his content is based in reality. Thanks for the great podcast.

    Jun 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm
  • Adia

    Great episodes. I’m an ex-muslim and I find it amazing how 90% of the experiences of conservative Christian women is directly paralleled in the Muslim community.

    Jun 19, 2012 at 10:33 am
  • AussieChick

    I raised my kids without religion, but with a general open philosophy of wonder. Though I have a houseful of holy statues Ive collected, Id never spoken too much about them, so my kids didnt really know who these statues were. With my eldest two kids I had made more of an effort to put in some skepticism, but as happens, the youngest id neglected to explain some things to. On his first week at state school my son had his first R.E class (here in Australia there are religious ed classes in govt school). He came running in the door looking very distressed and said “mum, mum”, grabbed a pamphlet out of his bag and shoved it in my face. “Mum, this is JESUS! He got nailed to a cross and died. For ME!!!!!” Poor senstive little child was extremely concerned and confused how he had somehow caused someone to die. Anyway….luckily…….he believed my explanation. “Oh no…the government killed him in that story. And theres no proof it ever happened anyway. People sometimes tell you stories to make you scared so you will do what they want.” Now he is an atheist electronic engineer. But surely……surely…..the bible should be given an adults only classification. Im not joking. Its rather gory for small kids who havent been desensiticized/indoctrinated, to hear of someone being tortured……let alone the old testement tales of killing.

    Jun 19, 2012 at 10:22 pm
  • Vanessa

    I have listened to a couple GB podcasts and this was by far my favorite. I loved hearing Tracy’s passionate opinion about pascals wager and some of her history in fundamentalist Christianity. I can totally relate. Also loved Jerry, very relatable and seemed down to earth.

    Jun 21, 2012 at 12:15 am
  • ullrich fischer

    I also think this is one of the best episodes. It is a testament to the power of social pressure especially when it becomes the background noise to your life from the time you first acquire a language that people can waste their whole lives bowing down to the batshit crazy demands of religious cults. IMHO, they are all cults with the possible exception of the Unitarians. Kudos to Jerry and all the GBes for putting intellectual honesty over the very human need to be part of a familiar gang.

    I’m slowly working my way through the historical episodes of GB while keeping up with the current ones and find myself sharing and applauding the outrage at the shenanigans of the holier than us. I was maybe lucky in that I always had a “lukewarm” soul and never really got religion. My parents rarely went to church and then only to be “respectable”. They encouraged my sister and me to attend Sunday School (Lutheran) but we both found it quite boring and were met with no parental objections when we decided to stop going (at about age 11 for me, 8 for my sister). Years later, when I saw the Church Lady skits on SNL, I was struck by the thought that I had met that lady in our church. :)

    I love the intro and outro music for this episode.

    Jun 21, 2012 at 5:17 am
  • feline

    Just to be clear since it was mentioned in the episode, sexual, verbal, and emotional abuse IS domestic violence. Having sex with your wife without her 100% consent (i.e. rape) is very much a part of many people’s domestic violence experience. Many people seem to mistakenly think getting a black eye is the end-all be-all of spousal abuse when there’s so much more to it than that.

    - volunteer at a domestic violence shelter

    Jun 22, 2012 at 7:49 pm
  • Rilian

    My mom said he sounded like a preacher too. My mom’s dad was a preacher. I didn’t think he did but I don’t have a lot of experience being around preachers.

    Jun 24, 2012 at 1:03 am
  • John

    …Tracie,

    Even if I didn’t enjoy all of the other content (which I do) I would still watch the show specifically to hear your rants :P They’re always awesome!

    Jun 26, 2012 at 2:21 am
  • John

    >.

    Jun 26, 2012 at 2:23 am
  • Nicole

    Tracie,

    Maybe there’s an upside to all those years of brainwashing… it seems like you’re so annoyed and disgusted with the idea of taking ideas for granted that you question everything. You have very unique thoughts about things, even in this community of unique thinkers!

    :)

    Jun 26, 2012 at 5:21 pm

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