Episode 1.4

05Sep11

Vyckie Garrison joins Beth and Lynnea to talk about the Quiverfull movement and her escape from it.

Here is the link to Vyckie's blog: http://nolongerquivering.com/

  • GodlessDick

    wow, it will never cease to amaze me the depths that religious depravity will sink to. But I have to say that the ending of her story was quite awe inspiring. So much so, that it actually brough a tear to my eye.

    So happy for her and her family to have managed to escape their religious brainwashing and embrace reality! YAY HIPPY UNCLE!

    Sep 5, 2011 at 11:03 pm
  • THE FREE HUMANIST

    I can not believe in this day and age that this goes on in a modern society, how is this not abusive to women and children? Insanity.

    Sep 6, 2011 at 5:01 am
  • little_anarchist

    Best episode yet! I hope that you can get more great guests like this. Keep up the great work.

    Sep 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm
  • Helene

    Wow, I was blown away with your guest Vyckie Garrison. She was really a phenomenal speaker. Not only was she simply organized and riveting in her descriptions, but she was also so adept and painting a picture and filling in the blanks on what this kind of lifestyle entails. But beyond that, the entire quiverfull movement is just crazy, and it was amazing to see this through the eyes of someone that had been there. Also interesting to hear what drew her away from it. Excellent guest!!

    Sep 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm
  • SalvadorArachnor

    This was a really good episode, I liked how your guest could talk so eloquently about the “quiverfull” movement and her experiences in it. Maybe you could do this kind of episode once or twice a quartal, just interviewing a woman who has been victimized by organized religion, giving a feminist view of all those male dominated cults, sects and splinter groups of religion. Here’s the blog of someone I would nominate for the next slot in such a hypothetical format:

    http://www.tallpenguin.com/

    Sep 6, 2011 at 6:19 pm
  • Mike Hipp

    Good show. I have enjoyed all of them so far. On this one I sat through most of it, just shaking my head at the depths that people will go to believe.

    One suggestion. Hype the guest and give listeners a short paragraph of info on who they are and what they’ll be talking about.

    Maybe you did this and I missed it? Anyway.. it took me a little while to put the narrative together; time better spent listening to the story.

    I like the points of view and the topics so far.

    Sep 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm
  • Sika77

    Wow! Absolutely loved this guest and topic. I never could understand how other women could choose to subject themselves to such a lifestyle. I feel as if I have a better understanding of that now. Thank you so much for sharing her story with us. I am so glad she freed herself and her children. “No Longer Quivering” is a great blog as well.

    Sep 9, 2011 at 11:35 am
  • Mirror

    Bring Author Warren Farrell on this show

    And try to get Atheist/Men’s Right Activist, Paul Elam, from Avfm at some point. I’d like to see if he has the evidences to make his stances resist any of your criticisim.

    Sep 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm
  • Tommy

    I’m from Sweden and think your podcast is very interesting. Its really eyeopening for me how big of a difference it is with feminism in Sweden and your country. We really don’t have much of that kind of religious problems at all over here as far as I know, and most woman right issues are kind of solved here in my opinion. (alot of people would disagree with me I guess)

    Here, I regard feminism as discrimination. Feminists here like the idea of affirmative action to even out male and female quotas at different type of jobs, how many of each gender that should get accepted to educations and schools and so on. The idea is that if its not about 50% male and woman everywhere in society, something is wrong with the system and it needs to be fixed to get close to 50% everywhere. I don’t like that way of thinking one bit because male individuals get discriminated to lift up the group women with these ideas, and vice verse to.

    Believe it or not, a feminist group has even been suggesting a “male tax” to even out the cost for the society of men hitting women. So all men should be taxed to take a collective responsibility for the fact that some men hit their women partners. Luckily, most people found that absurd so it didn’t happend.

    So, there seems to be a huge difference between feminists and feminists! I don’t get the impression you agree with this kind of feminism im talking about at all when you call yourself feminists. Am I right?

    Also, I have a question for you feminist atheists! :) Wouldn’t it be pro-choice standpoint to let hookers be hookers without any laws that forbid women (or men) to choose to have this occupation? I’ve heard arguments that no one could really want this occupation, but the fact that some people can get a turn on of eating shit and piss kind om makes everything possible in my opinion. What is your thoughts about that?

    Sep 11, 2011 at 7:09 pm
  • microbiologychick

    Tommy,

    I am not for strict quotas, discriminatory taxes, or for criminalizing prostitution.

    Beth

    Sep 12, 2011 at 7:06 pm
  • Guncle

    Great show. This was stunning.

    Sep 13, 2011 at 1:15 pm
  • AletheaT

    Wonderful show! Keep up the great work. Leaving our reproductive lives up to god is a recipe for poor families struggling to get by because of too many mouths to feed.

    Sep 13, 2011 at 2:12 pm
  • Juank

    Wow I especially like this episode. What your guest said is really interesting. She sounds unstoppable too hahah. Fortunately we don’t have that many problems anymore here in France. Keep up the good work girls! You do an awesome job.

    Cheers!

    Juan

    Sep 15, 2011 at 8:37 am
  • Jo

    Thoroughly enjoyed this. I’ve been reading Vyckie’s blog for years, and she inspried me to write up my deconversion story… was raised fundie catholic, where it’s ALL about sex-is-bad, children-are-gifts-from-god and marital-rape-is-standard. I adore Vyckie, and this interview did not disappoint!!

    Sep 18, 2011 at 8:12 pm
  • Kes

    The bit about how women tend to lead their husbands into this lifestyle (shudder) is SO FAMILIAR to me. I served in Central Asia in the Peace Corps, and my host country practiced Bride Kidnapping as a form of marriage. In its most extreme form, it is *exactly* what it sounds like.

    There were plenty of young men who were uncomfortable with the idea of a wife they didn’t know, and young women who were afraid a kidnapping would ruin their chances at getting an education and getting out of the village/country. But the ones I heard speaking of it with almost nostalgia were the older women, with sons who needed wives.

    They spoke in one breath of how difficult their early family years were, when they worked as a “kailin” and had to serve their mother-in-law’s family hand and foot. But the next day they would complain about how their eldest son couldn’t find a good girl, and soon she would tell him to “go out and get a wife.” Women can be just as much “tools of the Patriarchy” and enforcers of misogynistic cultural practices as men can, if not more so.

    Sep 20, 2011 at 12:53 pm
  • Kes

    BTW at Tommy-the-misogynistic-troll: Lots of feminists support and advocate for legalizing prostitution and protecting the rights of sex-workers. I know several successful independent doms/sex-workers, who find their work both safe and fulfilling.

    Unfortunately, plenty of people in the sex industry, especially the classic street-walking “hooker” you probably have in mind, are not “freely choosing” their lifestyle and are usually hooking for survival. Most of these people either are or were teenage runaways who left home due to sexual abuse or family abandonment as a result of the child’s homosexual or transsexual identity. They will often become drug abusers, either as a result of pre-existing emotional trauma or to cope with their current situation.

    And the law does not protect these people and does not care about them. An underage girl caught hooking is more likely to spend the night in lock-up than be referred to family services. Legalizing prostitution would give her police protection, or at least free her from police harassment. Its a very complex issue with a lot of interesting research relating to it. Next time, educate yourself before trolling, please.

    Sep 20, 2011 at 1:01 pm
  • Kropotkin

    Hi, love your podcast! I’m catching up with all the episodes now that I’ve got to hear how great you are att discussing interesting issues.

    And as another person from Sweden, I’ll just let you know that we haven’t “solved” women’s rights and there’s still plenty of ignorance to go around, as you’ve probably noticed from Tommy’s post.

    Sep 29, 2011 at 9:42 am
  • Joy

    Just want to weigh in that I’ve been enjoying your podcasts a great deal, and this episode’s guest was phenomenal!

    Oct 1, 2011 at 11:53 am
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    Oct 21, 2011 at 10:40 am
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  • Dominik

    Yea. I did enjoy this greatly. My only crit is the verbosity of this lady. I know she had a lot to say but it would have been nice to hear a bit more from the other ladies. As soon as any of them started speaking she kind of interrupted, then carried on at length. But still it was informative. As much as it was shocking of how idiotic the human race can get. It’s almost 2012 and people still behave like they’re in the 11th century, or less.

    -Dom

    Dec 1, 2011 at 12:17 pm
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